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:sigh: going out for drinks tonight with nutters. Unfortunately, can only have two max as have to pack and watch Serenity to refresh memory. (Yes, I finally bought it)

Debating whether or not to make the sleeve things for the outfit if I have material (which I probably don't). Dammit. Even though this is once again a blink and you'll miss it costume.

On the other hand, just saw the stuff (production diaries, piccies etc) for 300. Yes, this is the mini-series/graphic novel by Frank WHORESWHORESWHORES Miller about the battle of Thermopylae. Of course it looks gorgeous (most of the production diaries appear to be devoted to the sheer pretty). On the other hand, *Miller*.

I'll probably end up seeing it. But does anyone remember how bad the misogyny was in it? (there was plenty of gay-bashing and macho posturing, not to mention lots of 'Persians are effeminate perverts') I vaguely remember it as being a bit better than usual Frank WHORESWHORESWHORES Miller.

Vaguely amused by the tag and blurb for it. Patriotism, one last gasp against teh ravening hordes OMG! etc, but... I do love this bit :

Based on the epic graphic novel by Frank Miller, 300 is a ferocious retelling of the ancient Battle of Thermopylae in which King Leonidas (Gerard Butler) and 300 Spartans fought to the death against Xerxes and his massive Persian army. Facing insurmountable odds, their valor and sacrifice inspire all of Greece to unite against their Persian enemy, drawing a line in the sand for democracy.

Someone point out to the blurb writers that Sparta was rather famously a *monarchy*. Y'know, *King* Leonidas? Athens, which gets a brief mention in 300 as cowardly pansy shirtlifters, was a *republic*. Not a democracy either. Greece was a collection of city-states. I don't remember any democracies in there. Twits.

Ah, sod it. Everyone go look at the trailer for Hot Fuzz instead, which is Simon Pegg and Nick Frost's follow up to Shaun of the Dead.

Date: 2006-09-14 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] missiedith.livejournal.com
I got 300 out the library a while back. Very pretty. Don't remember too much that made me cringe.

Date: 2006-09-14 10:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrslant
Spartans were all queer as coots!!! :-)

Athens was a democracy. Just not in the GW Bush sense...

Sparta was a duarchy - two joint kings.

And the point of Thermopylae was to give the Athenians time to get their navy together and kick Persian butt!

Date: 2006-09-14 11:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burntcopper.livejournal.com
I know, there was a whole bunch of 'errr, Frank, the Spartans were all for homosexuality, the warrior caste especially.' in the letters column at the time. Possibly the only letters column I've seen with lots of historical discussion going on, too.

And yes, I know it was a two-king situation, I just didn't know there was a word for it. :mutter: Hmm. Who was the other king at the time? Leonidas is the famous one of that period.

Date: 2006-09-15 12:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrslant
Leotychidas, according to this handy list. He would have stayed at home - that was how it worked, one in the field, one holding the fort.

Greek homosexuality was more on the man-boy love lines than the equal relationship the term implies today. Taking it up the tradesmen's entrance was definitely frowned upon as it meant allowing oneself to be treated like a woman (!) I understand a similar attitude still exists towards ladyboy prostitutes in some mediterranean countries today. Useful summary here.

Nowt so queer as folk, eh? :-)

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